You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory

“ If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without bloodshed;
If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival.

“There may be even a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than live as slaves”

Winston Churchill. Pg.310 “The Hell Makers” John C. Grover ISBN # 0 7316 1918 8

So what part of the above does the average "Joe Schmuck" not understand ?
What exactly is so F***ing hard to comprehend regarding the above statement?
Is it the " or is it the ,? the rest is easy, even I understand the " and the , So how about we get moving on the rest of the statement, I will reproduce it without the " and the ,

If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without bloodshed
If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival.

There may be even a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than live as slaves.

There ya go, I got rid of those " and the ,
does Winston Churchill's speech make sense NOW?
I mean, does the Fact that American (not Sudanese, Afghani, Iraqi, Iranian, Somalian,Saudi Arabian but as well as) women and girls are having their HEADS hacked off,stabbed & beaten to death by members of the "Religion of Peace" aka. Islam, motivate you to at least think that the message and mantra of the United Nations the US Democrats and their cabal of Leftists organizations is a lie?

Would Community Organizer in Chief
Barack Hussein Obama
Please make it known just what side of the Islamic "Jihad" he is on.
So far he has has shown that he is on the side of appeasement aka. Islam.

Australian Bush Fires: See what Islamists "took joy " in

Jihadists revel in our misery

Eleni Hale
Sunday Herald Sun
February 15, 2009 12:00am

JIHADISTS are celebrating the worst tragedy in Victoria's history.

Terror watchdogs said fundamentalists had blogged on websites across the globe, applauding the lives lost and destruction.

Senior analyst at SITE Intelligence Group Adam Raisman said they were posting pictures of burnt homes and devastated victims and"taking joy in the scenes".

One jihadist wrote: "It would be an act of revenge for Australian's participation in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq."

Bushfires victims said they were stunned.

What warms the heart of a "Good Muslim" see the video below.

"We're minding our own business and trying to cope with all this and they are celebrating our suffering," said Denise McCann who lost her home in the Kinglake blaze.

Regional Islamic Council vice-president Dr Ameer Ali said the comments did not represent the wider Muslim community.

"They have no idea what they are talking about," he said.

I found the apologists for Islam writing to the letters to the editor at the Herald Sun
true to form eg
"This is an unnecessary and dangerously incendiary article. How stupid and pointless to stir up anti-Muslim sentiment at a time when emotions are running high and there's so much good will and community support to be celebrated." Posted by: Deborah Bartlett Pitt 9:53am today
Dont ya just luv em? If only people would not tell us what Islam is and does they wont hurt us.

Eight victims of the Victoria fires found huddled around baby's body

By Stephen McMahon, Matt Johnston and Ruth Lamperd
The Courier-Mail
February 14, 2009 05:29pm

DISASTER victim identification teams combing Victoria have found large groups of bodies, including one with eight bodies huddled to protect a baby.
Australians have been warned to brace for more bad news on bushfire death as more shocking details of the Victoria fires are revealed.

DVI experts are still combing the worst-affected areas and Detective Inspector Bob Sitlington said patience was needed to enable accurate records of victims to be collected, The Courier Mail reported.

"It is slow but we want to positively identify victims, the last thing we would want to do is misidentify," he said.

Insp Sitlington said he had been with team members in Kinglake yesterday, where earlier in the week experts found horrific scenes, including eight bodies huddled around a baby's body.

"There was a multiple death in a group, and from what I understand they were trying to protect a baby," he said.

"We prayed as a Family and said our good bye's.......he said to me, Marice ...I am sorry baby, I thought we were safe...................'
As well as
Incredible video of one family's escape from death

Sorry,Allah,nothing for you or your Muslim followers to smile about in this video.

"We don't know exactly what happened. Imagine what people naturally do, they tend to cuddle ... and to protect each other, and with the intensity of the fire we do find sometimes bodies are fused together."

The total death toll from the blazes that ripped through the central highlands and Gippsland last Saturday still stands at 181.

The Victorian Coroner is prepared for as many as 300 bodies, Police Commissioner Christine Nixon said.

On Friday, police said 1831 houses had been destroyed and more than 7000 people had been made homeless.

A 39-year-old man has been charged in relation to the Churchill fire in south Gippsland which killed 21 people.

Asbestos is causing problems for victim identification teams and residents have been warned about going through suspicious areas of their homes.

All residents also have been given gloves and masks for safety.

Insp Sitlington said teams were doing their best in difficult circumstances.

"Having 1800 houses, all those deceased that were found in cars or in the open have been dealt with, and now it's a slower way of moving around," he said.

131 Dead so far ,Australia singled out for "forest Jihad"

Islam group urges forest fire jihad

Josh Gordon
The AGE
September 7, 2008

AUSTRALIA has been singled out as a target for "forest jihad" by a group of Islamic extremists urging Muslims to deliberately light bushfires as a weapon of terror.

US intelligence channels earlier this year identified a website calling on Muslims in Australia, the US, Europe and Russia to "start forest fires", claiming "scholars have justified chopping down and burning the infidels' forests when they do the same to our lands".

Missing

The website, posted by a group called the Al-Ikhlas Islamic Network, argues in Arabic that lighting fires is an effective form of terrorism justified in Islamic law under the "eye for an eye" doctrine.

Victims of Victorian Fires,Kangaroo and a Horse

The posting — which instructs jihadis to remember "forest jihad" in summer months — says fires cause economic damage and pollution, tie up security agencies and can take months to extinguish so that "this terror will haunt them for an extended period of time".

"Imagine if, after all the losses caused by such an event, a jihadist organisation were to claim responsibility for the forest fires," the website says. "You can hardly begin to imagine the level of fear that would take hold of people in the United States, in Europe, in Russia and in Australia."

With the nation heading into another hot, dry summer, Australian intelligence agencies are treating the possibility that bushfires could be used as a weapon of terrorism as a serious concern.

Two Kangaroo's who failed to outrun the Fire Storm

Attorney-General Robert McClelland said the Federal Government remained "vigilant against such threats", warning that anyone caught lighting a fire as a weapon of terror would feel the wrath of anti-terror laws.

"Any information that suggests a threat to Australia's interests is investigated by relevant agencies as appropriate," Mr McClelland said.

Adam Dolnik, director of research at the University of Wollongong's Centre for Transnational Crime Prevention, said that bushfires (unlike suicide bombing) were generally not considered a glorious type of attack by jihadis, in keeping with a recent decline in the sophistication of terrorist operations.

"With attacks like bushfires, yes, it would be easy. It would be very damaging and we do see a decreasing sophistication as a part of terrorist attacks," Dr Dolnik said.

"In recent years, there have been quite a few attacks averted and it has become more and more difficult for groups to do something effective."

Dr Dolnik said he had observed an increase in traffic on jihadi websites calling for a simplification of terrorist attacks because the more complex operations had been failing. But starting bush fires was still often regarded as less effective than other operations because governments could easily deny terrorism as the cause.

The internet posting by the little-known group claimed the idea of forest fires had been attributed to imprisoned Al Qaeda leader Abu Musab Al-Suri. It said Al-Suri had urged terrorists to use sulphuric acid and petrol to start forest fires.

If the AGE is giving up their favourite Multiculturalists and terrorists, I would think this story has legs, although I expect it will be buried well and truly, by the Victorian state Labor government's Islamic suppression of free speech and thought department, staffed by Labor's favourite Islamist's and socialist Islamists sympathisers and apologists.
Stay tuned.

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U.S. intel alerted to threat of 'Forest Fire Jihad'

WorldTribune.com
Tuesday, January 15, 2008

U.S. officials monitoring terrorist web sites have discovered a call for using forest fires as weapons against “crusader” nations, in what may explain some recent wildfires in places like southern California and Greece.

The 2007 fires at Mount Parnitha, as seen from Athens.
A terrorist website was discovered recently that carried a posting that called for “Forest Jihad.” The posting was listed on the Internet on Nov. 26 and reported in U.S. intelligence channels last week.

The statement, in Arabic, said that “summer has begun so do not forget the Forest Jihad.”

The writer called on all Muslims in the United States, Europe, Russia and Australia to “start forest fires.”

The posting quoted imprisoned Al Qaida terrorist Abu Musab Al-Suri, as saying “Jihad is an art just like poetry, music, and the fine arts. There are people that draw and there are others that are jihadists. They both act upon inspiration.”

Al-Suri is a senior Al Qaida leader captured in Pakistan in 2005 who is believed to be in U.S. custody.

“The idea of forest fires is attributed to him, may God set him free, as is in this short clip,” the writer stated.

The posting said that setting forest fires were legal under extremist Islamic law as part of a “eye for an eye” and that can produce “amazing results.”

Wildfires in California burned more than 500,000 acres beginning in October and authorities said arson was to blame for some of the fires. In August, wildfires broke out in Greece that authorities say were deliberately set.

The writer stated that it was permissible to burn trees in carrying out jihad.

“Scholars have justified chopping down and burning the infidels' forests when they do the same to our lands,” the writer said.

The writer stated that “targeted forests” are in the nations that “are at war with Muslims,” including the United States, Europe, Russia, and Australia.

Other nations, including Brazil are “off limits” because Brazil has not joined the “armies of the crusade.”

On damage caused by wildfires, the report said that the fires typically take months to put out which means that “this terror will haunt them for an extended period of time.”

The fires also will cause economic damage because it will limit exports of timber used to make furniture and also will cause losses to pharmaceutical companies that use trees for ingredients for drugs, the posting said.

Smoke caused by the fires will create pollution and military forces could be tied up fighting fires. The report noted that U.S. military forces in Iraq or Afghanistan “could even be recalled” as occurred following hurricane Katrina, which did not occur.

“Imagine if, after all the losses caused by such an event, a jihadist organization were to claim responsibility for (starting) the forest fires,” the writer said. “You can hardly begin to imagine the level of the fear that would take hold of people in the United States, in Europe, in Russia, and in Australia.”

The report said that Abu Musab Al-Suri, urges terrorists to use sulphuric acid to start a forest fire, as well as gasoline.

The article was signed by Abu Thar Al-Kuwaiti, on behalf of a group called the Al-Ikhlas Islamic Network.