Cap and Trade,Global Carbon Pollution,International Socialism’s Tax on the Western Middle class

 

Energy Tax
Posted by: Michael Smith
17 August, 2009 1:21 PM

Last week we spoke about Australia’s contribution to what Mr Rudd calls global carbon pollution.

Keep in mind that 97% of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere gets there through Mother Nature.

And that carbon dioxide makes up just 380 parts per million of the atmosphere.

So as we said last week, Australia’s contribution to the so-called problem is miniscule.

If you think of 100% of the atmosphere as 1 kilometre, then Australia’s contribution to the so-called problem of carbon pollution is less than 1 millimetre, about the size of a human hair.

One hair per Gateway Bridge of atmosphere to clean up.

But Mr Rudd’s new tax won’t get rid of the hair.

The incredible thing is that this entire new tax system is not designed to blow the hair away.  All the pain, all the angst, all the price rises – are designed to reduce the size of the hair by 5%!

And now we’re starting to see how much the new tax will cost. A tax on our people that India, China and other nations won’t impose on their people.

Taxing everything is not a by-product of the scheme. It is the central purpose of the scheme.

When the GST was brought in, the level was set at 10%. That was set in concrete.   But the new emissions tax is designed to increase every year.It’s potentially infinite in its cost to you.

Australia’s grocery companies have warned today of price rises for food – in the first year – of 7%. View Link here

Electricity prices will jump by 20% in the first year – with much, much more to come. 

And it’s probably no surprise that large sections of the business community support the scheme.   Why?   Money.   As Glen Milne reports in The Australia this morning by way of one example, KPMG is charging companies $250,000 to audit individual facilities – that is every location – to determine their carbon output.Imagine the money in that.

This scheme will change Australia forever – yet the tax side of the scheme has hardly been debated at all.All we see on the news is pictures of smoke stacks.

Barnaby Joyce is the only political voice warning about the headlong rush we’re on.From a cost perspective, I can see nothing good for the broader community in this new tax at all.

Food prices to surge under emissions trading scheme

Blair Speedy and Glenn Milne 
August 17, 2009
The Australian

SHOPPERS face a jump in grocery prices of up to 7 per cent under Labor's scheme to reduce carbon emissions, prompting calls for the Rudd government to come up with a compensation package to help low- and middle-income families.

Big retailers have warned the government that the proposed emissions trading scheme would add between 4 and 7 per cent to shopping bills in what would be a de facto tax on food.

Although the government has revealed plans to compensate households for increased energy prices when the ETS is expected to be introduced in 2011, it has yet to announce how it will cover the rise in grocery prices.

Reserve Bank assistant governor Philip Lowe last week told the House of Representatives economics committee that the ETS would add 0.4 percentage points to the Consumer Price Index measure of inflation in its first year of operation.

However, the Food and Grocery Council believes the increase in grocery prices would be much higher, about 5 per cent.

As food and grocery shopping is estimated to take up to 20 per cent of the weekly household budget, the council's chief executive, Kate Carnell, says the price rise will amount to a GST on food - the area the Howard government exempted from the tax after a prolonged campaign by Labor and the Australian Democrats.

Large retailers are understood to have also done modelling showing similar results, including a rise in food prices of as much as 7 per cent should Australia adopt the 25 per cent target on emissions reductions by 2020.

Large retailers, while privately concerned, are believed to be hesitant to voice their objections to the ETS for fear of tarnishing their reputation among environmentally conscious consumers.

Australian Retailers Association executive director Russell Zimmerman said the ETS would lead to a sharp increase in grocery shelf prices as costs increased at every stage of the production and distribution process.

"It's going to be a high cost to the consumer - the food manufacturer gets an ETS charge, then there's delivery, and the retailers use refrigeration and lighting, and the cost of that is all going to be handed on," Mr Zimmerman said. "Retail is a very competitive business. There's not a lot of margin in grocery retailing, so these costs can't be absorbed."

The ARA has set out its concerns in a submission to the government's green paper on carbon reduction but Mr Zimmerman said he had little hope the government would shield consumers from higher costs.

"The government has said it will cost consumers $1 a day, but that fails to accurately calculate the retail price impact on consumers, and there's no real handle on what it's going to cost consumers in the end," he said.

Retailers' anxiety is matched in the US, amid growing fears about the impact of carbon trading plans. US agriculture companies including grain giant Cargill, meat processor Tyson Foods and food-maker General Mills, have expressed concern they will bear an unfair proportion of the costs resulting from carbon-reduction legislation and warned this would lead to higher food prices.

Nationals senator Barnaby Joyce has warned that the ETS, once in place, would raise the retail price of a leg of lamb to almost $100.

The revelations on food prices come as a split emerges in the business community over the ETS. The peak group, the Business Council of Australia, is divided over its position on the plan to reduce carbon emissions.

The BCA is torn, with finance sector elements backing the ETS and the mining industry vehemently opposed. The split has led to the circulation of an anti-ETS paper from within the BCA that concludes 67 of its 109 members will not have a carbon permit liability under the government's proposed Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme.

The overwhelming majority of the 67 are in the finance, legal or legal services sector, which the analysis says are expected to make huge profits out of the ETS.

The paper's author, who does not wish to be named, concludes: "While the BCA is held up as the voice of industry on the carbon scheme, the vast bulk of its members have no skin in the game. That is, they won't have to buy permits. In fact, the bankers and finance consultants like KPMG stand to make a fortune out of it."

The paper's author also names at least 12 senior Labor figures - seven of them frontbenchers, including three cabinet ministers - who they say have expressed doubts about the government's ETS privately to either BCA member companies or their industry group representatives.

Emissions trading is a tax, no matter the name

Terry McCrann 
The Australian
August 08, 2009

THE first and most important thing to note about Kevin Rudd's emissions trading scheme is that it is a tax.

It's not called a tax, but if it waddles like one, quacks like one, and most pointedly raises money like one, it's a tax. And not just any old tax -- it's a huge and continually growing tax.

It starts out in 2012-13 raising about a quarter as much as the GST. The budget in May put a number on it for the first time. Almost $12 billion in its first full year, 2012-13.

It is the equivalent of increasing the GST from 10 per cent to 12.5 per cent in that year. And in its impact on people it won't be all that different from doing exactly that.

In year one, that is, which if we actually get the ETS should be retitled Year Zero, because it will be the beginning of the end of Australia as we know it.

Crucially and very ominously, there is no, if you'll pardon the pun, cap on this insidious version of a GST. The effective rate could double or triple, the amount of money raised could skyrocket. Indeed, it is intended to do exactly that, with no referral back to parliament for endorsement.

Imagine the uproar if the government had proposed raising the GST to 12.5 per cent. That's 12.5 per cent, in year one, with it able to go to 15-20 per cent or higher, as events, not parliament, then took it. The uproar would have been loudest from the Labor Party.

Hey, but it's not a tax, it's a scheme. Indeed, the ETS was specifically chosen in rejection of a carbon tax. That's a tax.

Oh, for the benefit of hindsight. If only John Howard and Peter Costello had called it their GSTS, they would not have heard a peep out of media or opposition. It's not a tax, it's the Goods and Services Trading Scheme.

Simple. Instead of adding a tax of 10 per cent to the price of (almost) everything, you bought permits to allow you to sell goods and services, for what just happened to equal 10 per cent of the price you wanted to charge.

They and their GSTS would have had a charmed run -- I don't think.

On one level the ETS title is of a piece with the fundamental dishonesty of the government's overall so-called carbon pollution reduction scheme.

It has nothing to do with carbon as carbon, far less pollution, but with emissions of pure carbon dioxide -- without which there would be no life on earth.

It's not quite as dishonest, as it is after all about trading permits to emit -- although humans won't require such a permit to breathe out. At least, to be fair, not initially.

The ETS -- the Americans are calling their proposed version cap and trade -- sets an overall target each year for (non-human) CO2 emissions, and the government sells the permits to emit.

The tax is a tax is a tax. You can buy and sell the permits -- the very secondary trading in cap and trade. The alternative carbon tax would simply have applied a direct tax on emitting carbon dioxide -- I doubt you can emit carbon.

Once you get through all the fiddling at the start, the result is exactly the same: it becomes increasingly expensive to emit carbon dioxide.

The permits do it through the market, as they gradually reduce in line with the emission reduction target. It's like the old game of musical chairs -- each year the government snatches away some of the permits. The direct tax would have become increasingly punitive.

Each has its own big loophole in terms of end-CO2 reductions.

Under the ETS, emitters could buy permits from overseas, while under the direct tax, if consumers were prepared to pay the price you could just keep emitting. But nothing, so to speak, can save Australians from an increasingly punitive tax. Whether it's called a carbon tax or just a scheme.

Now the government has committed to handing back all the money raised -- the budget described it as using "every cent it receives from the sale of Australian emission units to help households and businesses adjust and move Australia to a low-pollution economy".

Now how come the government establishing what is in effect a gigantic slush fund -- indeed, the mother of all slush funds -- doesn't make me cry, "Well that's all right then"?

Who couldn't be happy with the government taking $12 billion every year in a new tax on the explicit promise to hand it back. Oh, I'm sorry, not back, but to those it thinks need it, or where it will do the most good.

Especially when it delivers the promise with almost childishly silly language. Every cent?

Reducing emissions of (non-breathing) CO2 is only one part of the CPRS. By making carbon-based energy more expensive and gradually strangling the amount that can be produced, we will be market-directed into non-carbon or low-carbon energy sources.

These other forms of energy are not even remotely competitive with coal-fired power generation. We make them "competitive" by forcing up the price of coal-fired power, but we also help them even further by directly subsidising them.

And just to make sure, we will force consumers to buy their high-priced power by mandating that power companies source 20 per cent of their power from "alternative sources" by 2020 -- mandating either at state level or nationally, and in fact both.

Where will this power come from? We can play around, in somewhat different ways, with gas and solar, but in the main there is only one answer: wind.

Except there's one problem with wind -- it's useless.

In a brief but utterly devastating analysis, Andrew Miskelly and Tom Quirk tracked the power output of all the now quite substantial wind farms in South Australia, Victoria, NSW and Tasmania for every minute of June. The simply devastating conclusion: when the wind don't blow, it don't blow everywhere at the same time.

This utterly shreds the claim that if you build enough wind farms nationally the wind will be blowing somewhere. You have to keep fully equivalent coal power up and running, not just when the wind is not blowing, but all the time. So, we have a government that is proposing a massive new tax. It then proposes to waste most, if not all, of the money from it. Either by compensating people for higher costs, or by pouring it into "alternative" energy production that can't work.

All this, of course, is to absolutely no purpose. Even cutting our CO2 emissions to zero would make zero difference to global emissions.

Anyone who votes for the ETS next week -- or indeed any week -- is betraying both common sense and their basic duty to the national interest and every Australian.

Hussein Obama's Agenda 21 or how we are all going to live in peace with each other and the environment

The “Science” of the UN’s Comrade Kevin Rudd

Technorati Tags: Cap and Trade,Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme / Scam,International Socialism's world TAX,Green Hoax,Global Warming

Muslim Woman to be Caned in Malayasia

Beer drinking woman to be caned in Malaysia

Australian Associated Press

A Muslim part-time model will be caned next week, becoming the first woman in Malaysia to be given the punishment under Islamic law, after she pleaded guilty to drinking beer, a prosecutor says.

                            Mother of two Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno

An Islamic court in July ordered that Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno, 32, be lashed six times with a rattan cane after she was caught drinking alcohol in a raid on a hotel night club in eastern Pahang state last year.

 

A Woman seen here receiving the cane in Hussein Obama’s “Moderate” Indonesia

Prosecutor Saiful Idham Sahimi said on Wednesday Kartika would be the first woman to be caned under Islamic law after she chose not to appeal the sentence.

"This is the first case in Malaysia. ... It is a good punishment because under Islamic law a person who drinks commits a serious offence," he said.

On Tuesday, the court set a one-week period starting next Monday for the sentence to be carried out in a woman's prison, Saiful said. It is up to prison authorities to decide when to cane her during that period.

He said Kartika will remain in prison during that time and will be released "as soon as possible" after the caning is carried out.

Saiful said the rattan cane to be used on Kartika would be lighter than the one used on men, and its purpose was to "educate" rather than punish.

Muslims, who make up about two-thirds of Malaysia's 28 million people, are governed by Islamic courts in all civilian and Islamic matters. Most alcohol offenders are fined, but the law also provides for a three-year prison term and caning.

Non-Muslims are governed by civil courts, which also impose caning for offences such as rape and corruption. Women, children and men above 50 are exempt under civil law. Caning,
administered on the buttocks, breaks the skin and leaves permanent scars.

Kartika said earlier that she wanted authorities to cane her soon so that she can resume her life with her husband and children. Some politicians and women's rights activists have criticised the penalty as too harsh.

A woman and a man, both Muslims, were also arrested during a series of raids in Cherating, a beach town in Pahang state, on the night when Kartika was detained. Both were also sentenced to caning, but they have appealled.

Malaysian clubs and lounges typically serve alcohol and are not legally required to check if customers are Muslims before serving them.

 

STOP PRESS UPDATE

Islamic mercy: Hey great news these Malaysian Muslim thugs are not going to beat the crap out of this woman until after their HOLY month of Ramadan has finished.

Technorati Tags: Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno,Religion of Peace,Caning,Islamic Sociopaths Inc.,Sharia Law,Moderate Islam,Malayasia,alcohol

Australia’s Medi DONT Care,why does the US MSM want you to believe that ObamaCare will.

 Hello, possum - but in a hospital unit?

Kate Benson Medical Reporter
SMH
August 24, 2009

THIS photograph was taken in the intensive care unit at the ailing Hornsby Ku-ring-gai Hospital. Staff found the brush-tailed possum sitting among open boxes of face masks, gloves and surgical sponges, its faeces scattered across the counter.

Hornsby Hospital intensive care unit

It was sent to the Herald only days after one of the state's most senior health bureaucrats denied claims the hospital had a big problem with possums, known to spread deadly golden staph and e.coli infections.

The photo was taken in 2005 but staff say possums have been plaguing the hospital for more than a decade and are removed weekly from wards and offices.

Desperate for help, they sent the picture to the Health Department at the time it was taken but the warning went unheeded. And one senior official used it as a point of laughter to show visitors to his office.

After the possum was found, staff in the intensive care unit locked up medical supplies but say maintenance workers regularly move the animals to boxes in trees within the grounds.

''The one in the intensive care unit is not an isolated case. It's par for the course around here,'' one doctor said.

Possums, which have a lifespan of 15 years, can carry deadly diseases easily transmitted to humans, including Lyme disease, leptospirosis, rickettsia and mycobacteriosis, which can cause abscesses, fistulas, headaches, vomiting and renal failure.

Their faeces can carry the gut parasite cryptosporidium and their urine can cause breathing problems for asthmatics.

Any animal in a hospital was a health risk but some, such as possums, were known to spread superbugs such as methicillin-resistant staphylococcus aureus, said an infectious diseases expert at Canberra Hospital, Peter Collignon. ''Allowing a wild animal, which scavenges far and wide, to contaminate gloves and surgical equipment is obviously a real problem.''

The chief executive of the Northern Sydney Central Coast Area Health Service, Matthew Daly, last week rejected allegations that the hospital had been neglected but did not deny continuing possum problems.

All reports of possum urine had been addressed, he said. ''Possum nests were in a derelict buildings and were subsequently removed,'' he said.

Up to six possums might live in the roof space of a family home, but more than 25 would probably be found in a hospital, said David Bennett, the owner of a possum removal service in Adelaide.

''You definitely wouldn't want them in a hospital. And unless you get an expert in, there is no way to keep them out. They are highly territorial and will immediately return to where they were.''

A spokeswoman for the area health service said yesterday the present management was not aware of the photo and an inspection of the hospital last week found no evidence of possums in wards or patient areas. ''All such reports are taken seriously and are dealt with at the time,'' she said.

Do you know more about this? kbenson@smh.com.au

The Australian Socialist FREE “Health system” Medi (don't) Care,is,after 30 years of FREE,come one come all hand outs and bloated bureaucracy,just about on its’ knees.

The story above,of the resident intensive care Possum,whilst,if you discount the potential for cross infection,is somewhat funny,however generally there is nothing to laugh about the many other tales of the consequences of the dead hand of International Socialism’s interference in Australian’s lives.

Australians have learnt long ago that Socialized Medicine is run for the benefit of the Socialist Ideology and the carpetbaggers in the Australian Labor Party and their Marxist financiers,the Australian Council of Trade Unions,who support and promote it, it has not and never will be for the benefit of the sick and the poor.

Medi DON’T Care and neither will Obama

Miscarrying mother told 'life's a bitch' by NSW hospital doctor

Baby born in toilet at troubled Royal North Shore hospital

"Basically we were told to wait, there was no staff," he said.

"She was basically screaming down the whole place, she was screaming in agony.

"(We) requested an epidural an hour and half before the water was broken. (We were told) 'guess what guys, the anesthetist is too busy' ... the anesthetist never showed up."

He said his wife got up, screaming saying: 'it feels like a bowling ball coming out of me'.

Trolley block causes chaos at Wollongong Hospital ER

Hospitals failing to refer deaths to coroner

Hospitals blamed for series of deaths

 

 

NSW hospital deaths, injuries revealed

Police to investigate NSW hospital deaths

The death of a 76-year-old woman from the Casino district of northern New South Wales has been referred to the Health Care Complaints Commission.

Details of the case were revealed in Lismore yesterday during a sitting of the special commission of inquiry into NSW public hospitals.

Elizabeth Lane says her mother was not properly fed or cared for by medical staff at the Lismore and Casino hospitals in the fortnight leading up to her death.

"It was a battle for two weeks. The medical staff, wouldn't listen to anything we were saying," she said.

"They looked at us as grieving daughters who could not accept their mother's death.

"I have read some of the other transcripts and there are people that have similar stories, but nothing quite as serious I believe as what happened to mum."

The North Coast Area Health Service is refusing to comment on specific cases, but says it welcomed the hearing and thanked everyone who gave evidence.

The above links are but some of thousands that detail the great Socialist Hoax of Universal Health Care in Australia, there are far worse examples of the contempt this evil has for Australians needing health care.

 

The FILTH That IS Islam, no wonder Hussein Obama & the United Nations are such a staunch allies of the “Palestinians”

 

Fourteen hundred odd years ago Satan’s apostle, Mohammad, took a bride six years of age, Aisha ,oh “six years of age” I hear you say, “that’s terrible,” relax, chill out Islam is a "Religion of Peace” and of the highest moral authority,and naturally Mohammed did not deflower Aisha until she “bled” three years later at the age of NINE years of age, to the applause and celebration of Mohammed’s fellow paedophile slave trading pirates and you are right.

Since then,the followers of the worlds most infamous Paedophile Pirate,Mohammed, have, according to none other than the current President of the United States of America,Hussein Obama,made contributions to mankind of such type that Hussein Obama described those "contributions" as “civilizing” the world.

President Hussein Obama has dictated that Americans “respect Islam” and has ordered all negative references to Islam be removed from the US Government lexicon.

So infatuated by the “Religion of Peace” is the President of the United States of America, he has, amongst many other declarations, pertaining to Islam, declared that the war on terror is now over, and ordered that all acts of Islamic Terrorism, eg. September 11 attacks, Bali 1 & 2 be described as as “man caused disasters” in order to ensure that Islam and it’s adherents are  not brought into disrepute by their actions.

After all, when the “founder” of your “Religion of Peace” comes from the noble family of Islamic Paedophile Pirate and slave trading, head hunting stock ,I guess you have to make sure you have to do all you can to protect Islam’s high standards and reputation / mythology of been a “civilizing force for mankind"

I digress,the year is 2009, Islam has, according to Hussein Obama been a “civilizing force” for mankind and demanded that “Americans respect it” for its great contribution to mankind…

I am sure the President of the United States of America,Hussein Obama,would be so proud to announce that following some 1400 years of “civilizing mankind” “jihad” and almost indescribable sacrifice for the good of mankind that following his administrations appropriation of $1billion dollars of American taxpayers wages the "Palestinian's" (WTF? ) have  engaged in a radical reformation of "One of the worlds great Religions" and "Civilizing forces for mankind" by raising the age of marriage from six to seven years of age.

I know,I know,what you are thinking, like you, I feel Hussein Obama's pain but I have to say that I am sure that as radical  a proposal as it is on the surface to raise the age of marriage from six to seven years of age for females,it might just be, like Islam's previous "civilizing forces for mankind" (head hunting, female circumcision)the very thing Hussein Obama's America, and indeed the world needs in these troubled times.

Rejoice in the happy pics below as these  “Brides of Islam” "strut their stuff" with their proud Islamic "Palestinian" (WTF?) worriers.

The Brave Son’s of Allah and their Brides

Children,created and born of God desecrated by

“one of the worlds great civilizing forces”

The next time you see some Hollywood Idiot or some Australian Hollywood Idiot Wannabee wearing one of those chequered scarf's as a “Statement” in support of their pals in “Palestine” (WTF?) if the pictures above offend you email them and ask them why they are not offended by them and why they support such a depraved “Civilizing force for mankind”

Has Hussein Obama said when HE will donate one of his Daughters to this FILTH?

or is it a case of do as I say not as I do?

Full story here

Thanks to ANV reader Terri for the above story.

The “Science” of the UN’s Comrade Kevin Rudd

Bring it on, Labor, pull that trigger

SMH
Miranda Devine
August 15, 2009

When the Government's chief climate change science adviser, Professor Will Steffen, was asked to participate in an open debate this week for the benefit of senators about to vote on the Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme Bill, he refused. Instead, he sent the independent senator Steve Fielding a letter belittling the scientist he was asked to debate.

Steffen, a research chemist with an interest in "Earth System science", accused Professor Bob Carter, a palaeoclimatologist, and other eminent scientists who have questioned the Government's scientific advice, of "flawed logic, misleading and inaccurate statements and confused and inconsistent analyses" not even worthy of university science students.

Steffen's reasons for his no-show? "By going there I would have given exactly the wrong impression, simply by being there, that there is a debate."

Steffen's attitude flies in the face of 1000 years of scientific method - of open inquiry, of encouraging the objective search for truth, sharing knowledge, testing hypotheses, welcoming challenges in order to demonstrate the robustness of your theories or help you develop new ones.

Something stinks in the climate science industry. The confected sense of urgency. The comic predictions by the United Nations that we have only "four months" to save the planet or that next year as many as 50 million climate refugees will be "displaced" by human-caused climate change. The fantasy that imposing a new tax on Australians will make any difference to the age-old phenomenon of climate change.

Here we had the Senate voting on Thursday on what both sides describe as one of the most significant pieces of legislation since Federation. Yet there has been little debate about the impact on jobs, household budgets, agriculture and industry, on electricity, gas and petrol prices, no consideration of nuclear energy, and scarce information about how we will do without the cheap baseload energy from coal-fired power stations which underpins Australia's high standard of living. Instead we have McCarthyist bullying of critics. At least Fielding, an engineer, is strong-minded enough to seek his own answers.

As it happened on Wednesday, the day before the vote, just 13 MPs and senators showed up to the debate he organised that had become a one-man talk by Carter. None were from the Government. Just 6 per cent of the Parliament could spare an hour to hear what the fuss was about.

What misgivings did Carter and three other scientists advising Fielding (the climatologist William Kininmonth, the former head of the Australian Bureau of Meteorology National Climate Centre; the hydro-climatologist Dr Stewart Franks; and the mathematician Dr David Evans, the former Australian Greenhouse Office carbon modeller) have about the science underpinning the Government's legislation?

Even if you reject the sceptical view, Australia produces just 1 per cent of the world's carbon dioxide emissions so if we were to shut down the country, the impact on global climate would still be negligible.

The Government is determined to resubmit its legislation to the Senate in November, under the threat of a double dissolution election, so that it is completed before the UN climate change conference in Copenhagen in December. Malcolm Turnbull is busy drafting amendments in an attempt to make the legislation palatable.

But the Coalition should embrace a double dissolution on climate change. Bring it on. Call the Government's bluff. It'll be their best chance of winning back office for years.

As Barnaby Joyce reminded everyone this week, by winning the "unwinnable" 1993 election, Paul Keating showed John Hewson how difficult it was to go to the Australian people with a new tax - which is what the emissions trading scheme is - an energy tax.

In Turnbull, the Coalition has the perfect man for the job of winning an election on an energy tax. He is enough of a genuine climate change alarmist to reassure green-minded voters, yet he is also a successful capitalist who knows the value of preserving a healthy economy.

Crafting complex deals, such as an ETS that might work, is his forte.

It's probably his only chance of being prime minister, so he will fight for all he's worth.

An early election will also force the Coalition to rally behind its leader, removing the unsettling effect of all that free speech they are currently engaging in. Plus it's just the kind of reckless gamble for which Turnbull is famed, and which he occasionally pulls off. It's right up his alley, if Utegate hasn't taken all his bottle.

You can bet money from industry would roll into Coalition coffers to help fight such an election, easily rivalling the union advertising largesse against Work Choices in the last poll.

And as Steve Fielding has found from the supportive emails and letters flooding his office, the public mood is turning resolutely against rash measures to stop climate change.

A Newspoll last month found 53 per cent of Australians want the Government to delay the ETS legislation until after Copenhagen, or not introduce it at all. Six per cent are uncommitted.

Only 41 per cent think Australia should pass the legislation before Copenhagen.

So what's the big hurry? In the Senate on Thursday after losing the vote, Penny Wong revealed the reason: "Because if we don't [bring the bill back in November], this nation goes to Copenhagen with no means to deliver on its targets.'' It's to give Kevin Rudd something to strut with on the global stage.

devinemiranda@hotmail.com

Technorati Tags: Professor Bob Carter,Comrade Rudd,Comrade Professor Will Steffen,Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme / Scam,Steve Fielding,Earth System science,United Nations

Pakistan has already fallen to the Taliban

While the children of the infidel west are indoctrinated into believing that Muslims, world wide are followers of a “Religion of Peace” the following videos show what Muslim’s get up to when they think we are too busy attending “Religious and cultural sensitivity classes” to notice.

 

Technorati Tags: Taliban,Islamic Terrorism,Pakistan,International Socialism,Hussein Obama

Obama (don’t)Care

Why would he ?…. after all just like my country Australia,the UK and Canada, it’s not about CARING for those who need it most,it’s about the survival of the fittest.

It’s about…. well you know… after all you voted for it… it’s about "the efficient delivery of scarce resources to those who need them most…." not those sick fucks who clog up the hospitals and demand treatment for diseases or the effects of aging, hey they will die some day any way!!!

Eugenics,Hitler,it was not just about the mass murder of Jews and those who were opposed to international Socialism,that Hitler and his supporters in the Islamic world wanted gassed and fried in their ovens.

Those, mentally and able bodied who did not embrace the ideology of Socialism, were not the only victims of the Nazi death / purification squads,their victims also included those incapable of understanding any form of ideology, those who relied on the compassion and caring of any society that would help their parents / families look after them and afford them whatever care was possible for their most basic needs.

There was another classification of human life form, who were declared enemies of the invigorated healthy thriving Socialist State,these were the sufferers of incurable diseases like cancer,the amputee’s,those suffering depression and other mental disorders, the aged,slow of wit to but name a hand full of those Hitler and his Socialist followers, decreed not worthy of life support, better still gas and burn these pests before they drag down the pure, disease free new Europe, borne of promises of “Hope and Change”

Calling it Obama Care or any other bumper sticker slogan the UN and their Union Thug financed politically correct US Democrat’s can think up, will not re write history or the wicked Godless savagery and intent of

“Obama DONT Care”

Why should he ?

After all,he and his fellow Democrats have ensured he and his wife and children,will not be subjected to it… they will be permitted to retain the health system he and his Union Thugs and UN pals demand YOU be DENIED

It’s like Kym Jong Ill having his own lane of every highway in North Korea exclusively reserved for him whenever the North Korean “God” ventures outside his Palace.

Just like the Germans in July1932, Americans have voted for their own enslavement or elimination, they have voted for a “SAVIOUR” a man described by one of his MSM press release officers and apologists as “God”.

The same man who has been proven to and has admitted, to have worshiped at the alter of a “Church” administered by an Anti Semitic,Non Black hating racist thug for over twenty years.

I am sure this “God” and former Community Organizer who has been elected to the Office of the President of the United States of America,is really worried about weather or not your White Republican voting Veteran Father or Mother,Brother or Sister,Son or Daughter,is able to receive the necessary medical treatment to keep them alive for another ten or fifteen years following injuries sustained during their service to their Country.

Hey if in doubt, just ask “What would Adolf do”

Under “God’s” scheme at least HE will get to laugh all the way to the best health care service your money can buy him and his Pals.

"They called for rational planning and scientific management of every phase of society. Economically they substituted laissez-faire views for an emphasis on state intervention and promoted the use of trained experts in setting economic and social regulatory policies. The movement preached the doctrine of efficiency, which applied cost-benefit analysis and emphasized solving problems at their root, rather than after a crisis has arisen, for example, as in preventive medicine. Eugenics was first embraced politically as a scientific means of halting the rising stream of "defective" immigrants who came to the United States from 1880 to 1914 seeking relief from the economic problems besetting Europe."

Eugenics

See for yourself the Health Care system Hollywood's beautiful people salivate over,however like Hussein Obama, would never use themselves.

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Hussein Obama Mr 50% and falling

Obama's rating drops to 50 per cent

News.com.au
6 8 09

US President Barack Obama's approval rating has slumped to 50 per cent, the lowest since his inauguration, according to a poll released on the eve of his 200th day in office.

Pollsters at Quinnipiac University in Connecticut said Mr Obama's job approval rating dipped to 50-42 per cent, a reflection of growing unease over his handling of the economy.

The figure, released today, is a substantial drop from the 57-33 per cent approval rating he had on July 2, and far less than the glowing numbers he enjoyed in the honeymoon first 100 days of his tenure.


The national poll of 2409 registered voters was carried out between July 27 and August 3.

It found voters disapproved 49-45 per cent of the way Mr Obama was handling the economy, and disapproved 52-39 per cent on his handling of health care, but approved 52-38 per cent on his foreign policy.

But while Republicans disapproved of the Democratic president's job performance by an expectedly large margin of 77-16 per cent, the poll found Americans disapproved 59-29 per cent of how Republicans in Congress were doing their job.

They also trusted Mr Obama over Republicans 47-36 per cent to fix the economy and 46-37 per cent to deal with health care.

"The President is right on the magic 50 per cent threshold in public approval because of bad grades on the economy and even worse grades on health care," Peter Brown, assistant director of Quinnipiac's Polling Institute, said.

"The good news ... is that American voters still see him as better able to handle the economy and health care than Republicans in Congress," Mr Brown said.

"The bad news is his margins are shrinking."

Happy Birthday Community Organizer in Chief Hussein obama.

Many thanks for this from Terri, Florida,USA.

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=5584629838&topic=27022

Are you one of the Americans who favors Communism or socialism?
Do you believe that America is now a Communistor a socialistic nation?
Do you believe that President Barack Obama is not a Communist?
BARACK OBAMA'S MOTHER WAS A COMMUNIST SYMPATHIZER
During Obama's campaign for the 2008 presidential election, he portrayed
his mother as a conservative girl from Kansas. However, in reality, she was
a radical leftist and cultural Marxist. She lived in the Seattle area;
spending her teenage years in Seattle coffee shops with other young radical
leftists. Obama claims his mother's family were conservative Methodists or
Baptists from Kansas. However, his mother's parents were members of a
left-wing Unitarian church in Bellevue, Washington near Seattle nicknamed
"the little red church" because of it's communist leanings.
Dunham has been described by her friends as "a fellow traveler", meaning
a communist sympathizer. In an interview, Barack Obama referred to his
mother as "the dominant figure in my formative years . . . The values she
taught me continue to be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the
world of politics." It is likely that those "touchstone values" Stanley Ann
Dunham taught the young Barry Obama were straight out of Marxist ideology.
BARACK OBAMA'S FATHER WAS A SELF-AVOWED COMMUNIST
As a Nairobi bureaucrat, Barack Obama Sr. advised the pro-Western Kenyan
government there to "redistribute" income through higher taxes. He also
demonized corporations and called for massive social programs.
Writing in a 1965 scholarly paper, Obama's late father slammed the
administration of then-President Jomo Kenyatta for moving the Third World
country away from socialism toward capitalism.
Though Obama's father had little contact with him, therefore little
influence, Obama entitled his first book "Dreams From My Father".
Additionally, there is little doubt that Barack Obama was familiar with his
father's 1965 paper calling for re-distributive justice in Kenya back in
1965, much as Obama himself would do in America over forty years later.
COMMUNIST FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS WAS OBAMA'S "MENTOR"
The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where he
developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to
his "poetry" and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book,
Dreams From My Father, refers to him as just "Frank".
The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a
party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the
Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of
Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What's more, anti-communist
congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities
Committee, accused Davis of involvement in several communist organizations.
OBAMA TRAINED BY RADICAL COMMUNITY ORGANIZER SAUL ALINSKY
The most significant part of Barack Obama's education, according to
Obama himself, was not at Columbia University or Harvard Law School, but the
years he spent being trained in the Saul Alinsky system for community
organizing, and then practicing what he learned.
All practicing leftists have been influenced by Saul Alinsky, author of
Rules for Radicals; the essential primer for all good America-hating
radicals. Written by the great granddaddy of all community organizers,
Alinsky's book lays out the tactics to be employed in creating a revolution.
What distinguished Alinsky from your run-of-the-mill revolutionary is
Alinsky's preference to wreck the system from within the existing order
rather than resort to violence; not that violence was out of the question.
A former fellow organizer said that Obama was the "master" of agitation.
Note: A pair of radical Columbia University sociology professors were
inspired by the Alinsky method to write a piece in "The Nation" in 1965
which came to be known by their names -- the Cloward-Piven strategy. The
purpose of the Cloward-Piven strategy is to overburden the social welfare
system to the point of breaking and hasten the breakdown of the capitalist
system. The CP strategy has been applied by ACORN and other welfare right's
organizations, with not only the intent to obtain "benefits" for their
members, but also to hasten the decline of the American free-market system.
REV. JEREMIAH WRIGHT'S MARXIST BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY
Black Liberation Theology is the basis for former Pastor Jeremiah
Wright's anti-American sermons at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago
(a church attended by Sen. Barack Obama and his wife Michelle for more than
20 years). Why is this important? Because Wright served as Obama's pastor
for more than 20 years as well as his mentor and spiritual advisor. It is
unlikely that a person can sit in a pew of a church for 20 years and not
understand or disagree with the ideology being promoted every week in Sunday
sermons and in published materials distributed by a church.
Black Liberation Theology is the creation of Professor James Cone, who
currently serves at New York's Union Theological Seminary. In 1969, Cone
wrote Black Theology and Black Power, which is required reading at Trinity.
Professor Cone's Black Liberation Theology is a mixture of Marxism and
Afrocentric thinking. According to Cone, "Together, black religion and
Marxist philosophy may show us the way to build a completely new society.
Capitalism is economic slavery imposed upon black Americans by whites."
COMMUNIST SPLINTER PARTY LAUNCHED OBAMA'S POLITICAL CAREER
In 1995 when Obama decided to go in to politics and run for the Illinois
state senate, he sought and obtained the endorsement of the "New Party", a
party made up largely of Socialists and Communists. Obama's predecessor in
the Illinois senate seat which he filled, Alice Palmer, was also a
Communist, and she endorsed Barack Obama as her replacement.
95% of blacks and at least 80% of women are communists. We need not fear the
blacks as much as we should fear the women . There is a concerted attack on men
by women to destroy America and liberty.Communism is a negative ideology romanced
by ignorance. Most of the congressional acts of the last 20 years are for the
destruction of men, liberty and Christianity. The destruction of family
is also pivital for the destruction of liberty. Essential family destruction
is the prybar for forcing open the doors to communists and communism.

CONCLUSION
Some on the left might claim that this is "guilt by association", but
there is far more than just "association" when every single influence over
Barack Obama's life has come from a leftwing, Marxist perspective. If he
does indeed have the traditional American belief in private property and
free-enterprise, the capitalist system, just when did he pick it up, who
taught it to him? Certainly not his mother, his father, his mentor Frank
Marshall Davis, Saul Alinsky, or his pastor Jeremiah Wright, his closest
associates and mentors from his earliest days -- they were, each and every
one of them, Marxists!

Australia, Love it or Fuck off back to wherever it was you help trash and RAN AWAY from.

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How all business phones should be answered!

“GOOD MORNING, WELCOME TO AUSTRALIA”

Press '1' for English.

Press '2' to disconnect until you learn

to speak English

And
Remember there only two defining forces that have
Ever offered to die for YOU:
The Son of God

Jesus Christ

And
Our Australian Soldiers.

One
Died for your soul

The
Others for your freedom.

PROUD TO BE AN AUSTRALIAN!

Thank you Aussie News & Views reader Heather, for sending me this “reality check” If only those entrusted with our security and well being thought as logically as the author of the above compilation.

Perhaps one day Mr Rudd or Kevin 07 or Lee Kewan as his adoring media fan club call him, depending on the audience he, and they are trying to impress at any given time, will side with Australia and (God forbid)AUSTRALIANS and act in THEIR interests instead of the interests of those who have, on a daily basis enunciated their HATRED for, and their commitment to DESTROY all that is Australian.

Mr Rudd you are the Prime Minister of Australia not the

Secretary General of the United Nations or the Grand Islamic Sociopath in Chief of some Middle Eastern Labor Party financing Islamic shit hole, so start delivering policies to Australians that protect them from, well, the stated objectives of your party’s financiers and supporters,indeed protect Australians from your party’s United Nations manifesto.

If you cannot do that perhaps you too should Fuck off to one of the lands of your masters and leave Australians alone, we will clean up the mess you and your like thinkers have made these last thirty years, however a warning don’t think about coming back you see Australians WILL shut the fricking border.

Australian Labor's "celebrity Muslim" Keysar Trad has been found to be a racist by Supreme Court

Judgement passed on Islams finest

Keysar Trad defamation case against 2GB's Jason Morrison dismissed

Richard Maxton with AAP
LiveNews
9/7/31

A defamation case taken out against Macquarie Radio by Islamic Friendship Association spokesman Keysar Trad has been dismissed, with the Supreme court judge finding he has racist views.

Two years ago it was ruled 2GB radio broadcaster Jason Morrison had defamed Mr Trad when he labelled him "gutless" and "disgraceful and dangerous" following a speech Mr Trad made over the 2005 Cronulla riots.

A Supreme Court jury found in Mr Trad's favour.

But the jury's decision has been effectively quashed by today's judgement from Justice Peter McClellan.

Justice McClellan ruled that the case should be dismissed, after lawyers for 2GB argued that information claimed to be defamatory was in fact true.

"There is little doubt that many of the plaintiff's remarks are offensive to Jewish persons and homosexuals,"

Justice McClellan said in his judgment.

"Many of his remarks are distasteful and appear to condone violence," the judgment continued.

"I'm satisfied that the plaintiff does hold views which can properly be described as racist.

"I'm also satisfied that he encourages others to hold those views. In particular he holds views derogatory of

Jewish people.

"The views which he holds would not be acceptable to most right-thinking Australians," Justice McClellan's judgment said.

Mr Morrison said it is a relief the matter has finally been resolved.

"I was very pleasantly surprised. These things are tough," he said.

"This has been hanging over me and this radio station for four years and it's not a particularly nice assertion that's been made, so I was very relieved at the judge's decsision."

Lawyer for 2GB's licensee Harbour Radio, Richard McHugh SC, had told the judge the "truth case" largely related to documents, including articles which Mr Trad had admitted writing and media interviews.

He read out parts of an article on homosexuals, submitting the views were "offensive" and showed Mr Trad to be a "disgraceful and dangerous individual".

He also played two radio interviews, where Mr Trad was asked about the comments made by his friend Sheik Alhilali, who had described scantily clad women as "uncovered meat".

Rather than condemning the sheik, Mr Trad was "an apologist for the appalling views" and gave out misinformation about the Islamic community, Mr McHugh said.

Mr Trad's case has been dismissed with costs.

Full judgement

TradvHarbour Radio Pty Ltd 2009 NSWSC 750

Trads thoughts on Racism.

31 7 09 Keysar Trad RACISIM an Islamic Response

Trad has been trashed by justice

Piers Akerman
News.com.au
Friday, July 31, 2009

The more than a decade, the barricade of political correctness which has protected Sydney’s self-proclaimed Islamic spokesman Keysar Trad has been dealt a mortal blow.

Justice Peter McClelland in the NSW Court of Appeal yesterday branded him a dangerous, dishonest, racist person and unbelievable liar.

Overturning a defamation judgement awarded to Trad against 2GB over a broadcast by Jason Morrison on December 19, 2005, Justice McClelland has demolished the nation that Trad is harmless assistant and translator to Lakemba’s Sheikh Taj el-Din al-Hilali, who in 2006 was the Mufti of Australia.

Trad had claimed he was defamed in a Morrison broadcast which followed a so-called “peace rally” the previous

day in which Morrison commented on a number of reports of the rally.
Like most of “peace” rallies, the gathering was aggressive and attended by the usual radicals protesting about most things that keep the world safe.

He said that he was satisfied that Trad holds views which can “properly be described as racist” and that he was “also satisfied that he encourages others to hold those views”.
In particular, he said, he holds views derogatory of Jewish people. The views which he holds would not be acceptable to most right thinking Australians.

He went on to say that Trad’s defence of al-Hilali’s description of suicide bombing as a legitimate tool, and his call for the delisting of Hezbollah as a terrorist organisation were dangerous remarks.

The support of the use of boys as martyrs in war was obviously dangerous.
He found that “various of the plaintiff’s actions including the material on his website were designed to contribute to anti-Semitism in the Australian community” and that “these views encouraged division and hostility between Muslims and non-Muslims in Australia”.

He also said that, in his judgement, Trad was a dangerous person because he incited violence or disparagement of women, Jews and homosexuals though his views.
He said he was a disgrace because he encouraged others to support attitudes repugnant to the Australian community.

He said Trad was not a reliable witness and said it was disingenuous to claim that he did recall that Adolf Hitler wrote Mein Kampf.

"A Dangerous Racist"

“I am satisfied that his answers were dishonest,” McClelland said.

Let it not be forgotten that al-Hilali is in Australia because former Prime Minister Paul Keating ignored warnings from the Department of Immigration and security services.

Trad has made a career out of supporting al-Hilali, during which he has lived on welfare benefits.

The ABC and SBS have given Trad a platform and quasi-legitimacy by unquestioningly permitting him access to their airwaves and seeking him out for comment.

He should be sent to Coventry now Justice McClelland has exposed the true nature of the beast.

Australia's Finest: Vale,Private Benjamin Ranaudo.

Private Benjamin Ranaudo's girlfriend weeps for lover killed in Afghanistan

By Antonia Magee and Michael Harvey
# July 20, 2009 1:22AM
News.com.au


THE heartbroken girlfriend of Private Benjamin Ranaudo said a part of her soul was stolen when her boyfriend was killed by an explosion in Afghanistan.

Just hours after the Australian Defence Force confirmed Pte Ranaudo's death, Haylee Tamara McCarthy, 21, wrote several tributes to him on her Facebook page, including a heartfelt message to her lost love saying he would stay with her forever.


"Forever in my heart, forever in my mind - you've taken a bit of my soul with you bub," Ms McCarthy said yesterday.

"I really thought we were going to be together forever and we promised each other we'd get through anything - that this trip would make us stronger."

Pte Ranaudo, 22, was killed when an anti-personnel explosive device detonated in the Baluchi Valley, near Tarin Kowt, early on Saturday as a part of an operation against a "compound of interest".

The blast left another Australian soldier fighting for his life and injured three civilians, including an eight-year-old boy.

The Melbourne man was a member of the Townsville-based 1RAR. He had been in the army for three years and in Afghanistan for less than two months when he died.

In one of his last messages to home, he described serving his country as "awesome".

In a message to a friend on his Facebook page on Friday afternoon, just a day before he died, Pte Ranaudo wrote: "I actually like it over here, weird huh. Be good to tell ya all about it when I get bak (sic)."

On July 5 Pte Ranaudo said his Afghanistan experience was ``awesome'', but cautiously added "still early days thou (sic)".

Last week he sent a message congratulating Ms McCarthy on her university results, but his army duty was something that obviously weighed heavily on their minds.

"Hey bub, hope ur (sic) doing a little better now. I really think time will fly by, and will be back together in no time," he wrote.

His uncle Andrew Renaudo said last night his "brave" nephew was too young to be fighting a war.

"I don't know who you send there, but I think 22-year-old kids shouldn't be in that sort of a war zone," Mr Ranaudo said.

"We want this to stop, we don't want this to happen to anyone else."

Mr Ranaudo said his nephew had always been brave and was flagged for greater things in the armed forces.

"He was only a young man, but he was there doing what he wanted to do. He wanted to be there."

His death - the 11th Australian soldier killed in Afghanistan - drew tributes from military and political leaders.

Chief of Defence Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston described him as a "fine, brave and dedicated soldier" who risked his life for his fellow Australians.

Methodology of Hizb Ut Tahrir for Change

Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs reports today of the meeting of the Islamic Hizb Ut Tahrir or Islamic Pirate organization who are holding a Hate Fest, titled "The Fall of Capitalism and Rise of Islam," this Sunday, July 19th, 2009, at the Aqsa School in Bridgeview, Illinois.

ACTION ALERT: PROTEST THE ISLAMIC SEDITION HIZB-UT-TAHRIR CONVENTION

I have posted this document, below, written by the pious members of Islamic Hizb Ut Tahrir some years back in the UK complete with the Pirate Black Death Flag of Islam.
These terrorists are now moving on the USA, having been emboldened, by the election of a President of THEIR choice, Hussein Obama, they now well understand they have nothing to fear from the White House or the various federal and state law enforcement agencies as they go about planning the destruction of the United States of America on American soil, paid for and facilitated by the Hussein Obama administration

Mehodology of Hizb Ut Tahrir for Change

This from January 2007 in Sydney.

Radical plan for pain By Piers Akerman News.com.au January 29, 2007 12:00 THE radical Islamists of Hizb ut-Tahrir (Party of Liberation) who met in Lakemba to cheer speakers calling for a global Islamic state, which somehow did not include Australia, raised a number of issues. The first is about Australia's tolerance for such a call, for, as students of the group (which is banned in a number of nations) know, an Islamic state could not possibly condone many of the freedoms basic to our society. Another issue is just as crucial: if Australia is not among the nations to be targeted and brought under the Islamist umbrella, exactly which nations does Hizb ut-Tahrir believe need an Islamist makeover? If "humankind" can only escape destruction if it becomes subservient to the "divine order of Islam", and Australia is not to be subjected to the group's reconstructive process, wouldn't its members be better off going to a nation which would benefit from a more proscriptive regime? The reality is of course that few Islamic nations want a bar of Hizb ut-Tahrir's proselytisers and they have to find helpful suckers in Western nations who will permit them to hold their "Islam-or-else" meetings. As it is unimaginable that any Islamic nation, or any other nation for that matter, would host a conference of fundamentalist Christians calling for the restoration of Istanbul to Constantinople, why should any Western state play host to these plotters? Are we so naive, so politically correct, that we feel compelled to host a party for people who wish to cut the throats of our metaphorical cousins, even if they promise that we are not (yet) in their sights? One of the speakers at the conference, Palestinian Sheik Issam Amera, told the audience: "If two people are united and a third person comes along and tries to incite disunity . . . kill him. Muslims are not unique in doing so as most nations kill those charged with treason. "The establishment of caliphate is an Islamic duty. The evidence for the duty for establishing (the) caliphate is confirmed in the Koran," he said. The Koran also mentions supernatural bodies, but that doesn't make them real. In fact, if one looks around the world and particularly at those states which nominate themselves as Islamic, one could draw the conclusion that followers of Islam are doomed to live in Third World poverty listening to hate-filled speeches from their religious leaders fuelled by envy of the comparatively successful nation of Israel, and with sufficient time on their hands to riot over almost nothing whenever someone gets to his feet in the local mosque. Sunday's conference, though little different from others held in some Muslim communities lodged in Western societies, heard calls for the political destiny of the Muslim world to be in the hands of Muslims and for external forces to be rejected. Judging by the manner in which members of Hamas and Hezbollah, both professing to be Islamic organisations, are currently kidnapping and killing each other, and considering the wars of attrition up to the current day waged between followers of the Shia and Sunni arms of Islam, any notion that Islamists could achieve a better record of governance than many Western nations, including Australia, is fanciful, no matter how vehement the calls for sacrifice and jihad may be. Hizb ut-Tahrir clearly has no place in Australia, and it would be heartening if more Australian Muslims said this. Unfortunately, as older Australians well know from the attempts to ban the Communist Party in the middle of the last century, it is awfully difficult to ban any group in this country. Greens Senator Bob Brown, aided by the Left-inclined Fairfax press, is attempting to disrupt the activities of the Exclusive Brethren, a minor Christian sect which has angered him because it quoted from Green policies in a series of political advertisements, but has barely raised a whimper about the treatment of homosexuals in Muslim countries. The NSW Government's recycled Police Minister John Watkins believes there is sufficient evidence to have Hizb ut-Tahrir banned but has failed to persuade his ALP colleagues in other states to join him in making such a recommendation to the Federal Government. Federal Attorney-General Philip Ruddock has asked NSW to provide evidence that Hizb ut-Tahrir meets the definition of a terrorist group and has also called on federal agencies to review the comments made at its conference to determine whether its conduct crosses that threshold. If Watson believes the body is breaking NSW laws, he is free to deal with it under state law. Civil libertarians, usually highly visible and irritatingly voluble whenever Islam and ban are mentioned in the same sentence, are nowhere to be seen or heard. Until firm evidence of illegal activity emerges, it would seem there is no recourse available beyond making the usual expressions of disgust and contempt that it deserves. That of course, is fitting proof that Australia has a robust and admirable pluralist culture – just the sort of thing that gets up the noses of the Hiz ut-Tahrir – if indeed they have such organs behind their hijabs and scarfs.